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		<title>By: vwilcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>vwilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have big dogs which would sooner knock you over trying to get you to pet them as harm anyone but seems to be a deterrent, the auto gate at the front was the best 800 we ever spent. I could not believe how many people would drive down a dead end,road drive through the gate (which at the time was left open) to just &quot;take a look around&quot; ya right! now they sit out at the front gate and stare trying to see if they can open it manually or not.  I am also investing in a &quot;wildlife camera&quot; which is activated by a motion sensor, i would rather catch 100 critters and one thief than no critters and no thief, because,thank you personal injury lawyers, it is still my responsibility as to what happens on my property.  Also, I have my phone number posted on the front gate and a note to call if anyone needs to be on my property for any reason...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have big dogs which would sooner knock you over trying to get you to pet them as harm anyone but seems to be a deterrent, the auto gate at the front was the best 800 we ever spent. I could not believe how many people would drive down a dead end,road drive through the gate (which at the time was left open) to just &#8220;take a look around&#8221; ya right! now they sit out at the front gate and stare trying to see if they can open it manually or not.  I am also investing in a &#8220;wildlife camera&#8221; which is activated by a motion sensor, i would rather catch 100 critters and one thief than no critters and no thief, because,thank you personal injury lawyers, it is still my responsibility as to what happens on my property.  Also, I have my phone number posted on the front gate and a note to call if anyone needs to be on my property for any reason&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vwilcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>vwilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recession or ignorance?  I had a couple of thieves cut through 4 strands of a 6 strand fence to steal electrical wiring from an old chickenb house on my property, so for a few feet of wire they pose a risk of my horses escaping onto a mjor highway into oncoming traffic and not only causing an accident and injuring but more than likely killing a few innocent people in the process...we have an auto gate coming into the property and gates and locks on ALL pastures, but that didnt stop someone...I am currently cleaning fence rows and am going to plant blackberry and briars alll along any outside fences, maybe if it is more difficult and someone actually has to work to get in will be a deterrant, but if someone thinks you have more than them they will always try....bastards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recession or ignorance?  I had a couple of thieves cut through 4 strands of a 6 strand fence to steal electrical wiring from an old chickenb house on my property, so for a few feet of wire they pose a risk of my horses escaping onto a mjor highway into oncoming traffic and not only causing an accident and injuring but more than likely killing a few innocent people in the process&#8230;we have an auto gate coming into the property and gates and locks on ALL pastures, but that didnt stop someone&#8230;I am currently cleaning fence rows and am going to plant blackberry and briars alll along any outside fences, maybe if it is more difficult and someone actually has to work to get in will be a deterrant, but if someone thinks you have more than them they will always try&#8230;.bastards!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who don&#039;t believe me when I tell you that those sub-human horse thief butchers are butchering the stolen pet horses while they are still alive, read these news posts describing the utter horrific brutality of these crimes.  I&#039;m not making it up nor exagerrating.  Do your own Google search on &quot;Florida Horse Killings&quot; and find even more news articles describing it.  Once you read these, you&#039;ll understand why many of us would enthusiastically torture and kill these repugnant criminals for what they&#039;re doing to these horses:

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI132040/

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/22/second-man-arrested-in-florida-horse-killings/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8223214&amp;page=1&amp;page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t believe me when I tell you that those sub-human horse thief butchers are butchering the stolen pet horses while they are still alive, read these news posts describing the utter horrific brutality of these crimes.  I&#8217;m not making it up nor exagerrating.  Do your own Google search on &#8220;Florida Horse Killings&#8221; and find even more news articles describing it.  Once you read these, you&#8217;ll understand why many of us would enthusiastically torture and kill these repugnant criminals for what they&#8217;re doing to these horses:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI132040/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI132040/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/22/second-man-arrested-in-florida-horse-killings/" rel="nofollow">http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/22/second-man-arrested-in-florida-horse-killings/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8223214&amp;page=1&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8223214&amp;page=1&amp;page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: StPetersGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>StPetersGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, on the signage. I may be quite wrong about &quot;guard dogs on duty.&quot; In my state, having a &quot;Beware of Dog&quot; sign makes you liable - you knew you had dangerous dogs. But &quot;No Trespassing&quot; protects you. Go figure. 

I lived in a slum a few years ago - two old tenement buildings, with 3 apartments each. I was on the ground floor. I had a lovely, but very shy shepherd-coyote cross. He didn&#039;t bark, but would slink around the walls (inside) warily. 

In the few months I lived there, the other apartments were broken into several times. Mine? Never. I thank my dear dog for that. And he was the gentlest of souls! He taught me so much about dog body language, and how to treat frightened dogs.

I agree with the earlier poster; I&#039;d probably settle for something like &quot;Keep door/gate closed - loose dogs inside.&quot; Maybe one of those diamond-shaped yellow signs, with a picture of a Dobe or Shepherd on it. Like &lt;a&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;. (no affiliation; just a Google result.)

Ruthie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, on the signage. I may be quite wrong about &#8220;guard dogs on duty.&#8221; In my state, having a &#8220;Beware of Dog&#8221; sign makes you liable &#8211; you knew you had dangerous dogs. But &#8220;No Trespassing&#8221; protects you. Go figure. </p>
<p>I lived in a slum a few years ago &#8211; two old tenement buildings, with 3 apartments each. I was on the ground floor. I had a lovely, but very shy shepherd-coyote cross. He didn&#8217;t bark, but would slink around the walls (inside) warily. </p>
<p>In the few months I lived there, the other apartments were broken into several times. Mine? Never. I thank my dear dog for that. And he was the gentlest of souls! He taught me so much about dog body language, and how to treat frightened dogs.</p>
<p>I agree with the earlier poster; I&#8217;d probably settle for something like &#8220;Keep door/gate closed &#8211; loose dogs inside.&#8221; Maybe one of those diamond-shaped yellow signs, with a picture of a Dobe or Shepherd on it. Like <a> here </a>. (no affiliation; just a Google result.)</p>
<p>Ruthie</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my opinion that those cultures that elect to eat horse meat should raise...or pay somebody to raise...meat horses. I consider it unethical to eat ANY individual animal that has been raised as a pet. I wouldn&#039;t have eaten my friend&#039;s pet pig either...even though I&#039;m rather fond of ham.

Besides, most of our riding horses are given medications that render the meat unfit for human (in some cases animal) consumption. There are horses that are bred and raised for meat...if they want to eat horse, let them eat those horses.

The Florida matter has nothing directly to do with cultural consumption of horse meat...it&#039;s rustling, plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that those cultures that elect to eat horse meat should raise&#8230;or pay somebody to raise&#8230;meat horses. I consider it unethical to eat ANY individual animal that has been raised as a pet. I wouldn&#8217;t have eaten my friend&#8217;s pet pig either&#8230;even though I&#8217;m rather fond of ham.</p>
<p>Besides, most of our riding horses are given medications that render the meat unfit for human (in some cases animal) consumption. There are horses that are bred and raised for meat&#8230;if they want to eat horse, let them eat those horses.</p>
<p>The Florida matter has nothing directly to do with cultural consumption of horse meat&#8230;it&#8217;s rustling, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne loves her horses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne loves her horses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with motion sensors in the country is that every stray cat, coon, possum, dog, etc. will set if off. We took ours down because they went off so much we just ignored them. What HAS worked really well is a baby monitor in the barn, we can hear the horses when they start getting restless, strange voices, shuffling around, etc. Couple that with a few barky dogs and some good locks.
As far as the &#039;beware of dog&#039; sign, just put up a sign that says &#039;do not open gate - dogs on premises&#039;. Our attorney says that is not an implied warning of anything other than you don&#039;t want your dogs to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with motion sensors in the country is that every stray cat, coon, possum, dog, etc. will set if off. We took ours down because they went off so much we just ignored them. What HAS worked really well is a baby monitor in the barn, we can hear the horses when they start getting restless, strange voices, shuffling around, etc. Couple that with a few barky dogs and some good locks.<br />
As far as the &#8216;beware of dog&#8217; sign, just put up a sign that says &#8216;do not open gate &#8211; dogs on premises&#8217;. Our attorney says that is not an implied warning of anything other than you don&#8217;t want your dogs to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: besthorsegifts</title>
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		<dc:creator>besthorsegifts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NotaFollower, thanks forthe really good points re dogs!  That&#039;s really something to think about - especially the signage and legal ramifications therein.  Reminds me of the ppl in California who got sued when some drunken men broke into their backyard to swim in their pool and then sued them whe one of them nearly drowned. (rolling eyes).
~DD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NotaFollower, thanks forthe really good points re dogs!  That&#8217;s really something to think about &#8211; especially the signage and legal ramifications therein.  Reminds me of the ppl in California who got sued when some drunken men broke into their backyard to swim in their pool and then sued them whe one of them nearly drowned. (rolling eyes).<br />
~DD</p>
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		<title>By: nosey</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic
Older free TB on CL
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/grd/1463482151.html
looks quite thin to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic<br />
Older free TB on CL<br />
<a href="http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/grd/1463482151.html" rel="nofollow">http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/grd/1463482151.html</a><br />
looks quite thin to me</p>
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		<title>By: horsefever</title>
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		<dc:creator>horsefever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wanted to add, if your boarding barn doesn&#039;t have a gate or anything, you can bet that people are coming in and wandering around when no one is there.  If people see a sign for a public barn, for sure some are going to come in, park, and look around.  Now for the most part, that&#039;s fine, but sometimes it ends up in inappropriate behavior such as petting stallions, feeding treats to horses that shouldn&#039;t have them, or whatever.  If I am checking out a new place, I want someone to be there to greet me or at least notice a strange person is wandering around the property!  A gate is a good deterrent for aimless strangers.  We have a gate, that is locked, but I have been riding at my barn and observed people stopping on the road and feeding the pasture horses treats thru the fence ... it&#039;s probably harmless, but I hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wanted to add, if your boarding barn doesn&#8217;t have a gate or anything, you can bet that people are coming in and wandering around when no one is there.  If people see a sign for a public barn, for sure some are going to come in, park, and look around.  Now for the most part, that&#8217;s fine, but sometimes it ends up in inappropriate behavior such as petting stallions, feeding treats to horses that shouldn&#8217;t have them, or whatever.  If I am checking out a new place, I want someone to be there to greet me or at least notice a strange person is wandering around the property!  A gate is a good deterrent for aimless strangers.  We have a gate, that is locked, but I have been riding at my barn and observed people stopping on the road and feeding the pasture horses treats thru the fence &#8230; it&#8217;s probably harmless, but I hate it.</p>
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		<title>By: horsefever</title>
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		<dc:creator>horsefever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me there are two kinds of cruelty to animals from people:

1) a culture so poor that animal welfare is wayyy down on the list -- people aren&#039;t eating or have basic needs met, let alone an animal.  So who cares if it suffers (in this case, I don&#039;t think people are actively cruel, but they will beat an equine to make it carry heavy loads or not take care of medical stuff for animals, for example.) 

2) a culture/society that seems to have lost their ability to have empathy for animal suffering (thus apparently the skinning the puppies thing, what is up with that?!) in pursuit of their own pleasures.   In the 19th century, people believed -- incredibly--  that animals couldn&#039;t feel pain (I know, but look it up).  We certainly know better now.  So what&#039;s the justification?  It&#039;s just plain selfish and self-centered behavior.

So is stealing, for that matter.  I have had things stolen out of my car, in my driveway, a few times now (it always seems when I forget to lock up, I come out and someone has rifled thru my car looking for cash).  I live in a very nice neighborhood, so it&#039;s doubly weird when it happens. I always feel so violated and upset it happened when I was in the house and had no idea -- and I have three dogs that bark at the drop of a hat, but only when there&#039;s a noise or something outside that triggers them, the dorks.  The person is clever -- they leave the car door open, so there&#039;s no noise of a slamming car door.  And when we are sleeping, so are the dogs, on their comfy dog beds. :P

I am not afraid to stay alone, however, because anyone who might be looking to see if I was a target will hear a lot of barking most of the time.  Most petty thieves won&#039;t bother a house where they might get caught or there are dogs around (or so I believe!!)

A person I knew also had a horse left in their driveway without a word, but it was a horse they had given away and it came back more starved than when it left.  Apparently the people didn&#039;t want the horse anymore.  No gate or warning signal at this farm, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me there are two kinds of cruelty to animals from people:</p>
<p>1) a culture so poor that animal welfare is wayyy down on the list &#8212; people aren&#8217;t eating or have basic needs met, let alone an animal.  So who cares if it suffers (in this case, I don&#8217;t think people are actively cruel, but they will beat an equine to make it carry heavy loads or not take care of medical stuff for animals, for example.) </p>
<p>2) a culture/society that seems to have lost their ability to have empathy for animal suffering (thus apparently the skinning the puppies thing, what is up with that?!) in pursuit of their own pleasures.   In the 19th century, people believed &#8212; incredibly&#8211;  that animals couldn&#8217;t feel pain (I know, but look it up).  We certainly know better now.  So what&#8217;s the justification?  It&#8217;s just plain selfish and self-centered behavior.</p>
<p>So is stealing, for that matter.  I have had things stolen out of my car, in my driveway, a few times now (it always seems when I forget to lock up, I come out and someone has rifled thru my car looking for cash).  I live in a very nice neighborhood, so it&#8217;s doubly weird when it happens. I always feel so violated and upset it happened when I was in the house and had no idea &#8212; and I have three dogs that bark at the drop of a hat, but only when there&#8217;s a noise or something outside that triggers them, the dorks.  The person is clever &#8212; they leave the car door open, so there&#8217;s no noise of a slamming car door.  And when we are sleeping, so are the dogs, on their comfy dog beds. <img src='http://www.fuglyblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not afraid to stay alone, however, because anyone who might be looking to see if I was a target will hear a lot of barking most of the time.  Most petty thieves won&#8217;t bother a house where they might get caught or there are dogs around (or so I believe!!)</p>
<p>A person I knew also had a horse left in their driveway without a word, but it was a horse they had given away and it came back more starved than when it left.  Apparently the people didn&#8217;t want the horse anymore.  No gate or warning signal at this farm, either.</p>
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